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Lesson 2 of 9 · about 15 minutes

What Counts as a Meeting

Data reference: Known Idaho Open Meeting Law Violations, the documented Idaho cases from 2017 to 2026 with dates, findings and outcomes. Also: Kinds of violation · Cases at a glance · The statute

You'll be able to

  • Apply the definitions of meeting, decision and deliberation in 74-202
  • Calculate a quorum for boards of different sizes
  • Recognize serial meetings, go-betweens and reply-all email chains
  • Judge social gatherings and site visits against the AG manual and Noble v. Kootenai County

The open meeting law only bites when there is a meeting. So the fights happen over the word. Boards that want privacy try to keep conversations from becoming "meetings." Anyone watching a board needs to know exactly where the line sits, because the most consequential secret discussions rarely happen in a room with a gavel.

Definitions that work together

74-202 builds the idea of a meeting out of three defined terms:

  • Meeting (74-202(6)): "the convening of a governing body of a public agency to make a decision or to deliberate toward a decision on any matter."
  • Decision (74-202(1)): any determination, action, vote or final disposition on a motion, proposal, resolution, order, ordinance or measure that needs a vote, "at any meeting at which a quorum is present." Ministerial steps that carry out a decision already made at a proper meeting don't count.
  • Deliberation (74-202(2)): "the receipt or exchange of information or opinion relating to a decision." Informal or impromptu talk "of a general nature" that doesn't specifically relate to a matter pending before the agency is excluded.

Notice the word "receipt." The AG manual makes the point directly: deliberation doesn't require discussion or any preliminary decision. A quorum sitting silently through a private staff presentation on next month's budget is deliberating. That one word closes the door on the "we were only listening" defense.

The quorum question

The statute doesn't define quorum, and the definition of meeting doesn't use the word. It appears in the definition of decision. The AG manual reads the chapter, with the Idaho Supreme Court's 1976 decision in Idaho Water Resources Board v. Kramer, to mean a meeting requires a quorum. Quorum itself comes from each body's own law. For school boards, 33-510(3) sets it at a majority of members, and majority is the usual rule.

Worked example: quorum by board size

Board sizeMajority mathQuorumLargest group that is not a quorum
3 (county commission)3 / 2 = 1.5, round up past half21
5 (school or highway board)5 / 2 = 2.532
7 (P&Z commission)7 / 2 = 3.543
99 / 2 = 4.554

On a three-member county commission, any two commissioners talking about pending county business are a quorum. The AG manual takes this on directly in its Question 10: the law doesn't bar all contact between individual commissioners, but two of three deliberating on pending business is exactly what the law covers. That's a small margin for error, and some commissioners handle it by never discussing pending items with each other outside a meeting at all.

Social gatherings

The AG's position, built on California and Florida cases the manual quotes, is that formality doesn't matter. A meeting "can be formal, informal, or social." If a quorum is present and the intent is to deliberate or decide, it must be open. The manual quotes a California court on why: a private pre-meeting conference permits "crystallization of secret decisions to a point just short of ceremonial acceptance."

The flip side is in the definition of deliberation itself. General talk that doesn't relate to a pending matter is not deliberation. Three council members at a holiday party talking about grandchildren is fine. The same three in the corner discussing the pending water rate study is not.

ScenarioQuorum?Pending matter?Likely a meeting?
All five trustees at a graduation, talking about the weatherYesNoNo
Three of five trustees at lunch discussing the superintendent's pending contractYesYesYes
Two of five trustees discussing the contractNoYesNot by itself; watch for a chain
Four of seven commissioners attend a chamber luncheon where a developer pitches a project they'll vote onYesYes (receipt of information)Strong argument yes
Two of three county commissioners ride to a conference and discuss a pending road vacationYesYesYes

Serial meetings and go-betweens

The obvious workaround is to never gather a quorum at once. Member A talks to B, B talks to C, and by Tuesday's meeting the vote is locked. The AG manual says the law "should not be evaded by holding smaller meetings with less than a quorum present or by having a go-between contact each of the governing body members to ascertain his/her sentiment." This course found no published Idaho appellate decision that sets out a detailed serial-meeting test, so the manual is the main guidance. When you raise a chain like this at a meeting, in testimony or online, describe what happened and cite the AG's language rather than declaring a violation yourself.

Chair B C D E Mon call Tue text Wed coffee Chair + B + C + D = 4 of 5 reached. No single conversation had a quorum.
A hub-and-spoke chain. Each contact is one-on-one, but together they let a majority settle a pending vote in private.

Email and text chains

The AG manual's Question 27 handles electronic messages. A phone call doesn't take a conversation outside the law, and members "may not use computers or texting to conduct private conversations among themselves about board business." But a one-way email or text from one member to another that doesn't result in an exchange of comments or responses is not a meeting. Those messages are still public records the custodian must keep.

That gives you a practical rule. One member emailing a news story to the others: probably fine. A reply-all thread where a quorum trades opinions on how to vote on Thursday's bid award: that's deliberation by keyboard. And because 74-101 defines a writing to include "every means of recording," the thread is something you can ask for under the Public Records Act. Ask for messages on personal phones and accounts too if members used them for public business. Agencies sometimes dispute whether those must be produced, so ask anyway and keep any refusal in writing.

Site visits and phone calls from residents

Boards often tour a property before a land use vote. That's a meeting if a quorum goes and the purpose is to gather information for the decision. In Noble v. Kootenai County, 148 Idaho 937 (2010), commissioners on a site visit steered around a group of residents waiting at the entrance and talked where the group couldn't hear. The Idaho Supreme Court found a violation: at the very least, the public "must be permitted to get close enough to the hearing body to hear what is being said."

Individual residents can still call or email a board member about a pending matter. When the board is acting as a judge on an application (a variance, a permit appeal), Idaho Historic Preservation Council v. City Council of Boise, 134 Idaho 651 (2000), adds a due process rule: members who take such calls must disclose who called and a general description of what each caller said, so the other side can respond. The court framed that as due process, and the AG manual notes it may also raise open meeting questions.

Common mix-ups

  • Claim: If nobody voted, it wasn't a meeting. What the evidence shows: Deliberating toward a decision is enough, and receiving information counts as deliberation.
  • Claim: Texting is private. What the evidence shows: The AG says members may not text each other to conduct board business, and the messages are public records.
  • Claim: Social events are always exempt. What the evidence shows: The AG says meetings can be formal, informal or social. Quorum plus deliberation is the test.

Reporting angle

  • When a vote comes out unanimous with no discussion on a contested item, ask each member when they decided and whom they talked to beforehand.
  • Request emails and texts among members, by name and date range, about the item. Name personal accounts used for public business in the request.
  • Check calendars of the chair and administrator for one-on-one meetings in the days before a big vote.
  • Site visits should appear on an agenda with notice. If you learn of one after the fact, ask for the notice.

Research angle

Checklist

  • I know receiving information on a pending decision is deliberation.
  • I can compute the quorum for any board size.
  • I check for hub-and-spoke chains and reply-all threads.
  • I treat member texts and emails on public business as public records.
  • Site visits by a quorum need notice and public access close enough to hear.

Check yourself

1. Under 74-202(2), which of these is deliberation?

2. A nine-member board's quorum is a majority of its members. How many members make a quorum?

3. A board chair calls each of the other four members one at a time to line up votes on a contract before the public meeting. What does the AG manual say?

4. According to the AG manual, what is the status of a one-way email from one council member to another that draws no reply or exchange of views?

5. In Noble v. Kootenai County (2010), what did the commissioners do wrong at a site visit?

6. Three of five library trustees meet for dinner and spend the meal talking about the director's pending contract. Is that a meeting?

Terms in this lesson

Quorum
The number of members who must be present for a board to do business, usually a majority of the full membership.
Decision
Under 74-202(1), any determination, action, vote or final disposition on a matter requiring a vote, at a meeting with a quorum present.
Serial meeting
A string of smaller conversations, calls or messages that together let a quorum deliberate outside a public meeting.
Go-between
A staff member or member who carries positions from one official to the next so the board never gathers.
Quasi-judicial
A board acting like a judge on one party's application, such as a variance or permit, which limits private contacts.

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